[beepcaptain]

not only that but the shocking state of total rubbish this so called posting on the news section is.......If you ask me it appears that www.penstarsys.com is a total scamola to begin with....and the author of the so called article....a mister Josh Walrath not only doesnt have the accuracy in anything he states ...he doesnt have the courage nor conviction to accurately research if in fact any of the facts he states are indeed true....in fact he bases his whole basis of reasoning on "hearsay". Every link to the left on that website comes up "The page cannot be found" when you click it and by the content it does provide;looks like it was thrown together in about 5 mins by some clever scammer who has way way too much time on his hands.
nice try whoever you are but the only people you'll fool with this little trick are the sheep-noobs who can't remember thier name let alone the last time they held a real job.
Shame on the person who even posted this crap as being credible.I always held this website to have at least enough decency and class to post news that wasnt a scam but was taken from a credible source...not some 19 yr old clever little cyberpunk who by the looks of it is all behind this charade.

On a scale of 1 to 10.....I give it a big FAT ZERO!

[El_Coyote]

i found the article a good read when we brought it here at w2s.
not every one is geniouses when it comes to web design, but that doesnt mean they they dont know what they talk about in the articles they write.
as for the article "The Shocking State of 3D Affairs" i thought it was good and well written.

(Editors note: I did as much study as I could to delve into the different architectures of the companies involved, but I should not be considered an expert. There could be some technical inaccuracies in this article, but it is the best information that I had at the time. Feel free to email me if you have anything to share about this article or the information within.)

he DO start the article off with explaining that he's not a expert on gfx, but i think he captured the the timeline and the architectures good enough from what i know (and i've been following the gfx scene closely for the last 6 years) - ever since i replaced my voodoo2 with a G400

Personally when i post news and submissions, i go as close to the original source as i can. just yesterday i deleted a couple of submissions that was nothing more than a few lines and a link to a forum with the same excact few lines... no further links to official information.
while i didnt post the article you mention, I liked it very much and i think that site design shouldn't always decide if a article is a good read. besides he doesnt start new rumors or display false information.

[beepcaptain]

The whole article is based on one simple premise.....why Nvidia doesnt achieve the end results that some "BIAS" consumers and cyberpunks keep harping on as far as DX9 involvement is concerned with thier latest line of FX cards.He fails to give a reason for it and to base an article entirely on hearsay is nothing more than hearsay itself.
It's clearly evident why this happened and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out.In fact,the reason was given many moons ago in a few "news" sites such as this and I'm about to be no better than Walrath is by not stating just which ones they were that I read them at.So for that I'm just as guilty as he is for saying this here.When you really think about it it makes a whole lot of sense as well.Mighty Microsoft,our friends in digital bullying asked all the major graphics companies to participate in the groundwork development for thier newest API but what they didnt also tell all the companies was that any and all designwork for it no matter what it was,legally belonged to Microsoft or would be signed over to them.I'm not blaming one or the other here myself but if I was a company with a roadmap for my next generation of designs that involved
a better way to make them run that no other company had at that time,I wouldnt be too keen to be handing over any patents to it to some company that we all know has basically the monopoly on home operating systems.I wouldnt be eager to participate in that manner myself if I were Nvidia.So for that.....and the decision they made at the time not to....they showed some balls and took a stance.
For showing some leadership against BIG BROTHER,so to speak,they've been paying for it ever since.
It doesn't make thier product any less but it sure caught them at a bad time with a very tough decision to make and I'm sure glad they made it.The fruits of that decision wont mature for a while yet and i'd say when it does we'll see the benefits of it in future products,,,we already are.

[El_Coyote]

handing over patents?
they dont have to, nvidia would start on equal footing as the others - starting development from scratch, they would not have to hand over anything they had already done in other fields. they are free to do whatever extensions they want. as they did in earlier versions of DX. Not participating however and skipping out on lobbying their basic architecture, that is a fatal mistake any child could see, just as not participating in openGL would be.
the article mae it to the Rage3D frontpage, and that counts for something.

and he fails to give reason to what? why FX doesnt achieve? - he does say that the FX has less PS2.0 capable shaders, which is a blow in it self.

but hey. if you dont like our posts here, i would like to take the oppertunity to mention that you're not forced to click to this page.